Comments on: When the Seagulls Cry #10 — Empty Eyes http://tenka.seiha.org/2009/09/when-the-seagulls-cry-10-empty-eyes/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:18:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: TOP2NE1 http://tenka.seiha.org/2009/09/when-the-seagulls-cry-10-empty-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-25884 TOP2NE1 Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:32:36 +0000 http://blog.seiha.org/?p=4488#comment-25884 Whoah, necroposting. I forgot about this. I don't like him giving one example, but I also don't like the opposite of giving thousands. I just wish they'd have found a better way to put their point across. And I suppose the anime is doing a poor job of selling their PoV concept, because I'm not getting that mindfuck feeling. I'm just getting a jumbled incoherent mess. If this is anything like Tears to Tiara, then the story is getting a little screwed over in its reproduction as an anime. Maybe I'll check out the game for that reason. And being in a fictional story doesn't forgive every inconsistency. I'm just not getting an "intended confusion" from the anime. And the fallacy. Sure something isn't true just because everyone else says it's true. It's true because it's actually shown to be true. Through the 4th wall we can see magic. Meh, I'll just play the game. Whoah, necroposting. I forgot about this.

I don’t like him giving one example, but I also don’t like the opposite of giving thousands. I just wish they’d have found a better way to put their point across.

And I suppose the anime is doing a poor job of selling their PoV concept, because I’m not getting that mindfuck feeling. I’m just getting a jumbled incoherent mess. If this is anything like Tears to Tiara, then the story is getting a little screwed over in its reproduction as an anime. Maybe I’ll check out the game for that reason.

And being in a fictional story doesn’t forgive every inconsistency. I’m just not getting an “intended confusion” from the anime. And the fallacy. Sure something isn’t true just because everyone else says it’s true. It’s true because it’s actually shown to be true. Through the 4th wall we can see magic.

Meh, I’ll just play the game.

]]> By: Lero http://tenka.seiha.org/2009/09/when-the-seagulls-cry-10-empty-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-25866 Lero Mon, 07 Sep 2009 04:16:49 +0000 http://blog.seiha.org/?p=4488#comment-25866 Nooooooooooooooooo Gohdaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ;_; Nooooooooooooooooo Gohdaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ;_;

]]> By: shugosha http://tenka.seiha.org/2009/09/when-the-seagulls-cry-10-empty-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-25858 shugosha Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:43:57 +0000 http://blog.seiha.org/?p=4488#comment-25858 Well, to be fair, EP2 is supposed to be this way. EP3 is when you get at last why mystery and magic can coexist. Well, to be fair, EP2 is supposed to be this way.

EP3 is when you get at last why mystery and magic can coexist.

]]> By: Digdri http://tenka.seiha.org/2009/09/when-the-seagulls-cry-10-empty-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-25857 Digdri Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:26:34 +0000 http://blog.seiha.org/?p=4488#comment-25857 Well DO you want to see him bringing infinite arguments to proof his theories? :P Thats not entertaining either. But after all he is just playing the witches game using logic. If you want to deny a claim you just NEED one counter-example. Thats not really the same a detective would / should do but its his way to beat the game the are playing. But he is new to those kind of mind games... perhaps he also has to learn more and realize what his true goals should be about. The letter at the end of arc 1 said to find the truth. Is he going the right way coming up with silly theories for everything? Thats also addressed later in the games. About this stubbornness everybody is talking about: "When the Cry" always was about questioning the simple answers and your perception of the story. Everything is done with magic / witch-work it just the GAME OVER answer for Battlers game and the series as a whole... Do you remenber: "Why did you stop thinking?" Battler asked in the teaparty. The anime is very bad at explaining this, but just because a witch exist in some kind of different reality in no way a proofs that she commited murders in reality. So he is not obstinate but simply the only one to realize this fallacy all the others got fooled by. Even the magic in the 2nd arc don't proof it because now its HER presentation of the game so the narration is not really reliable in all situations. (Kanon/Jessica fought goats and died afterwards. Who can proof this really ever happened if everyone involve vanished or died?)... that's were the anime fails because they usually don't have a clear PoV for the narration... but the games also tried to confuse you about this. Its just the mindfuck this games are about. What IS reality in this storys? Well DO you want to see him bringing infinite arguments to proof his theories? :P Thats not entertaining either.
But after all he is just playing the witches game using logic. If you want to deny a claim you just NEED one counter-example. Thats not really the same a detective would / should do but its his way to beat the game the are playing.

But he is new to those kind of mind games… perhaps he also has to learn more and realize what his true goals should be about. The letter at the end of arc 1 said to find the truth. Is he going the right way coming up with silly theories for everything? Thats also addressed later in the games.

About this stubbornness everybody is talking about: “When the Cry” always was about questioning the simple answers and your perception of the story. Everything is done with magic / witch-work it just the GAME OVER answer for Battlers game and the series as a whole… Do you remenber: “Why did you stop thinking?” Battler asked in the teaparty. The anime is very bad at explaining this, but just because a witch exist in some kind of different reality in no way a proofs that she commited murders in reality. So he is not obstinate but simply the only one to realize this fallacy all the others got fooled by.
Even the magic in the 2nd arc don’t proof it because now its HER presentation of the game so the narration is not really reliable in all situations. (Kanon/Jessica fought goats and died afterwards. Who can proof this really ever happened if everyone involve vanished or died?)… that’s were the anime fails because they usually don’t have a clear PoV for the narration… but the games also tried to confuse you about this. Its just the mindfuck this games are about. What IS reality in this storys?

]]> By: TOP2NE1 http://tenka.seiha.org/2009/09/when-the-seagulls-cry-10-empty-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-25853 TOP2NE1 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 04:40:28 +0000 http://blog.seiha.org/?p=4488#comment-25853 I can't really stand the premise of this show. He wants to prove that the crimes are commitable without magic. While there are infinite ways in which it's possible wihtout magic, he usually only gives one or two crappy counterexamples. Furthermore, the crimes are shown (to the audience) being executed with magic. From the audience's perspective (or at least mine), he's just being annoyingly obstinate. Higurashi was better imo. I can’t really stand the premise of this show. He wants to prove that the crimes are commitable without magic. While there are infinite ways in which it’s possible wihtout magic, he usually only gives one or two crappy counterexamples. Furthermore, the crimes are shown (to the audience) being executed with magic.

From the audience’s perspective (or at least mine), he’s just being annoyingly obstinate. Higurashi was better imo.

]]> By: karasu http://tenka.seiha.org/2009/09/when-the-seagulls-cry-10-empty-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-25833 karasu Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:45:50 +0000 http://blog.seiha.org/?p=4488#comment-25833 they're going to be cutting out a lot if they're ending episode II on episode 11, though, can't imagine them actually getting to rosa's banquet and the whole shizzale. they’re going to be cutting out a lot if they’re ending episode II on episode 11, though, can’t imagine them actually getting to rosa’s banquet and the whole shizzale.

]]> By: Suzumiya Yuki http://tenka.seiha.org/2009/09/when-the-seagulls-cry-10-empty-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-25830 Suzumiya Yuki Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:35:14 +0000 http://blog.seiha.org/?p=4488#comment-25830 I love you Maria. More screen time to Maria. More facial Maria. No Maria, you're kissing the wrong person, you should be on Beatrix's side. Kiss Beatrix's cheek Maria. Oh Maria-sama! I love you Maria.

More screen time to Maria.

More facial Maria.

No Maria, you’re kissing the wrong person, you should be on Beatrix’s side.

Kiss Beatrix’s cheek Maria.

Oh Maria-sama!

]]> By: Anonymous http://tenka.seiha.org/2009/09/when-the-seagulls-cry-10-empty-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-25827 Anonymous Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:22:16 +0000 http://blog.seiha.org/?p=4488#comment-25827 Oh ok, yeah that would make more sense. Oh ok, yeah that would make more sense.

]]> By: revthemilk http://tenka.seiha.org/2009/09/when-the-seagulls-cry-10-empty-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-25826 revthemilk Thu, 03 Sep 2009 05:16:55 +0000 http://blog.seiha.org/?p=4488#comment-25826 Cue shotgun Rosa, lifeless Battler, and demonic gruesomeness Cue shotgun Rosa, lifeless Battler, and demonic gruesomeness

]]> By: Aroduc http://tenka.seiha.org/2009/09/when-the-seagulls-cry-10-empty-eyes/comment-page-1/#comment-25824 Aroduc Thu, 03 Sep 2009 03:39:13 +0000 http://blog.seiha.org/?p=4488#comment-25824 Given that #11 will be the end of episode 2, and 12 and 13 are already on the books for every single station broadcasting Umineko, I'm thinking no. Most stations just haven't put out their fall broadcast schedules yet, so people see a blank space on stuff like syoboi and start formulating idiot theories. Given that #11 will be the end of episode 2, and 12 and 13 are already on the books for every single station broadcasting Umineko, I’m thinking no. Most stations just haven’t put out their fall broadcast schedules yet, so people see a blank space on stuff like syoboi and start formulating idiot theories.

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